Comments on: Christmas jeer http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/ A personal finance blog for career minded women with small budgets and big dreams. Sun, 05 Aug 2012 15:47:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Budgeting Babe http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-19601 The Budgeting Babe Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:36:18 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-19601 Wow, it's been so long since I looked at this post I forgot about it. Katie- a few thoughts in response. I do give a dollar to homeless people on the street here and there, as well as giving meals and food if I have some left in my bag. I also donate to the Chicago Food Bank and my local church, and have volunteered with organizations here in Chicago dedicated to helping the problem of local hunger. I say that to let you know that this was an isolated incident and the post was a reaction to a situation in that time. But, to your point about the general view regarding giving money to individuals: we have problems with beggars where I live that go well beyond the individual issues you're talking about here. It's a systemic problem that results in violence and more, and therefore a basic rule we're taught by the police, by city leadership, by people who love us and even by the clergy and non-profit sector is to donate money to organizations that help the homeless vs. donating to people on the street. At that particular intersection, opening your wallet while standing on the street can be very unsafe. Not that boy, per se, but any exchange of cash, even a dollar from your wallet, can leave you vulnerable. My great-aunt was mugged twice at that intersection, so it's not an urban tale, it's a reality. I have many complicated thoughts about our local panhandlers that are wrapped up in a desire to help and a wish for a broader solution to end poverty in our streets. But those impulses have to be tempered by a need for personal safety and the reality that a lot (not all) of our local panhandlers in my neighborhood are regulars with well-documented substance abuse problems that make their living on the street this way. It's very difficult to do "the right thing" when there are no easy answers. It might not be the answer you're looking for, but that's what I have at the moment. Wow, it’s been so long since I looked at this post I forgot about it.

Katie- a few thoughts in response. I do give a dollar to homeless people on the street here and there, as well as giving meals and food if I have some left in my bag. I also donate to the Chicago Food Bank and my local church, and have volunteered with organizations here in Chicago dedicated to helping the problem of local hunger. I say that to let you know that this was an isolated incident and the post was a reaction to a situation in that time.

But, to your point about the general view regarding giving money to individuals: we have problems with beggars where I live that go well beyond the individual issues you’re talking about here. It’s a systemic problem that results in violence and more, and therefore a basic rule we’re taught by the police, by city leadership, by people who love us and even by the clergy and non-profit sector is to donate money to organizations that help the homeless vs. donating to people on the street. At that particular intersection, opening your wallet while standing on the street can be very unsafe. Not that boy, per se, but any exchange of cash, even a dollar from your wallet, can leave you vulnerable. My great-aunt was mugged twice at that intersection, so it’s not an urban tale, it’s a reality.

I have many complicated thoughts about our local panhandlers that are wrapped up in a desire to help and a wish for a broader solution to end poverty in our streets. But those impulses have to be tempered by a need for personal safety and the reality that a lot (not all) of our local panhandlers in my neighborhood are regulars with well-documented substance abuse problems that make their living on the street this way. It’s very difficult to do “the right thing” when there are no easy answers.

It might not be the answer you’re looking for, but that’s what I have at the moment.

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By: Katie http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-19599 Katie Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:58:29 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-19599 I just wonder why you think it's "never good to give people on the street money." I understand that you may prefer to give food so you know your money isn't being spent on drugs or alcohol, but not every person on the street is going to use cash gifts for nefarious reasons. I just hate the stereotypical view of beggars and the homeless. They're people too with individual stories that don't always revolve around drugs and alcohol. Another possibility is that the boy lives on the street because it's a better environment than living at home because of abuse or neglect. Maybe he ran away from home, or maybe his guardian abandoned him. It's hard to know, but my first assumption wouldn't be that his parents cared at all where he was if he was out on Christmas morning begging for money. I just wonder why you think it’s “never good to give people on the street money.” I understand that you may prefer to give food so you know your money isn’t being spent on drugs or alcohol, but not every person on the street is going to use cash gifts for nefarious reasons. I just hate the stereotypical view of beggars and the homeless. They’re people too with individual stories that don’t always revolve around drugs and alcohol.

Another possibility is that the boy lives on the street because it’s a better environment than living at home because of abuse or neglect. Maybe he ran away from home, or maybe his guardian abandoned him. It’s hard to know, but my first assumption wouldn’t be that his parents cared at all where he was if he was out on Christmas morning begging for money.

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By: Anonymous http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-830 Anonymous Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:33:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-830 It was said somewhere that God cares not the intention of the person recieving the kind gesture, but rather the intentions in the heart of the person givng it.<br/><br/>I live in metro Atlanta, and my first born(now8) was preemie, and spent 5 months in the hospital downtown, very near to a major hub for the homeless. <br/>Day after day I passed them on my way from the train station, and day after day I would give what I had extra.<br/>On a paticular day a man approached me for spare change. He was obviously tired, haggard, and as it was november, extremely cold. <br/><br/>Right next to the hospital that I went to everyday for five months is a McDonalds that serves all patrons and medical staff of the hospital and nearby businesses.<br/>They are notorious for shooing the homeless, as they are open almost 24hours they do see thier share.<br/><br/>Instead of giving him change I offered him a cup of coffee inside the McDonalds, and he honestly had fear in his eyes when he told me the staff wouldn'tlet him in, even if he had money.<br/><br/>Not for bad behaviour, but due to the zero-tolerance in this town.<br/><br/>I, being the born rebel from Michigan(ha-ha) told him to enter with me, as all the staff by this time knew me by name.<br/><br/>I walked him in, ,and ordered him a breakfast plate, a large coffee, and an o.j.<br/>I knew I did the right thing when I saw the joy in his eyes, I paid for one more cup for myself, and off I went.<br/>Not before making sure managment knew he was o.k to dine, and telling them it could make for very bad press if I were to email all local tv stations of the actions to possibly be taken.<br/><br/>as far as I know all went well, as I was leaving the NICU that day a few hours later there he was, sitting in the warmth, enjoying a old newspaper someone had left on a table, and still drinking his coffee.<br/><br/>Sometimes , so long as the gesture is purely unselfish, the karma carries. It was said somewhere that God cares not the intention of the person recieving the kind gesture, but rather the intentions in the heart of the person givng it.

I live in metro Atlanta, and my first born(now8) was preemie, and spent 5 months in the hospital downtown, very near to a major hub for the homeless.
Day after day I passed them on my way from the train station, and day after day I would give what I had extra.
On a paticular day a man approached me for spare change. He was obviously tired, haggard, and as it was november, extremely cold.

Right next to the hospital that I went to everyday for five months is a McDonalds that serves all patrons and medical staff of the hospital and nearby businesses.
They are notorious for shooing the homeless, as they are open almost 24hours they do see thier share.

Instead of giving him change I offered him a cup of coffee inside the McDonalds, and he honestly had fear in his eyes when he told me the staff wouldn’tlet him in, even if he had money.

Not for bad behaviour, but due to the zero-tolerance in this town.

I, being the born rebel from Michigan(ha-ha) told him to enter with me, as all the staff by this time knew me by name.

I walked him in, ,and ordered him a breakfast plate, a large coffee, and an o.j.
I knew I did the right thing when I saw the joy in his eyes, I paid for one more cup for myself, and off I went.
Not before making sure managment knew he was o.k to dine, and telling them it could make for very bad press if I were to email all local tv stations of the actions to possibly be taken.

as far as I know all went well, as I was leaving the NICU that day a few hours later there he was, sitting in the warmth, enjoying a old newspaper someone had left on a table, and still drinking his coffee.

Sometimes , so long as the gesture is purely unselfish, the karma carries.

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By: Anonymous http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-809 Anonymous Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:17:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-809 We were not put on this earth to judge and yet all of us do. I wonder if we were in the boy's shoes, what length would we go to survive?<br/><br/>And yet many of us say he probably has more money than we do. But the truth is, who cares. We give not for them, but for ourselves, so maybe the world is but a little better place. And frankly that's the world I want to live in. We were not put on this earth to judge and yet all of us do. I wonder if we were in the boy’s shoes, what length would we go to survive?

And yet many of us say he probably has more money than we do. But the truth is, who cares. We give not for them, but for ourselves, so maybe the world is but a little better place. And frankly that’s the world I want to live in.

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By: Anonymous http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-807 Anonymous Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:03:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-807 I will never forget a sermon from our pastor: "Never question them on the streets, never pass judgement on them, whats a dollar to you""For I was hungry and you gave me food,I was thirsty and you gave me drink"'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of the least brothers of mine, you did for me.'<br/>Mt 25:31-46 I will never forget a sermon from our pastor: “Never question them on the streets, never pass judgement on them, whats a dollar to you”"For I was hungry and you gave me food,I was thirsty and you gave me drink”‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of the least brothers of mine, you did for me.’
Mt 25:31-46

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By: ffnxfyre http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-804 ffnxfyre Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:23:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-804 How sad that some people can't get past the negative. That "little Angel" comment was unkind...that child, if only for a moment, had the joy of a child (come on, he chose chocolate milk!)and for a brief moment, trusted someone. He has most likely been thru more in his short life than many of us who are older. If more people would reach out, maybe it would eventually circle around the world, and no child would HAVE to beg for change on Christmas day. How sad that some people can’t get past the negative. That “little Angel” comment was unkind…that child, if only for a moment, had the joy of a child (come on, he chose chocolate milk!)and for a brief moment, trusted someone. He has most likely been thru more in his short life than many of us who are older. If more people would reach out, maybe it would eventually circle around the world, and no child would HAVE to beg for change on Christmas day.

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By: Anonymous http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-801 Anonymous Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:08:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-801 I hate to rain on the parade, but maybe the cop was trying to help you because he knows something about the little angel you don't? I hate to rain on the parade, but maybe the cop was trying to help you because he knows something about the little angel you don’t?

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By: Anonymous http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-799 Anonymous Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:11:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-799 Wonderful story! I live in the twin tiers in NY where 1200 people have been laid off just in the last year. Stories like this could be endless---and yet, we are becoming a society where there is seemingly little concern for our fellow man. People seem to be more interested in taking a story like yours and finding the hidden "politican or racial" agenda to pick apart. The fact that you used such beautiful prose and imagery and someone pounced on it as a racial description only reinforces how highly sensitized we are to the wrong things. Why don't we all spend more time doing good like this and less time worrying about skin color, sexual preferance, political identity, etc. We could all benefit from practicing random acts of kindness--it would get us and our pathetically deteriorating society a lot farther! Thank you for setting a wonderful example of what one person can do to touch a life--you may never know the extent of that chocolate milk and it's powerful expression of human compassion. Wonderful story! I live in the twin tiers in NY where 1200 people have been laid off just in the last year. Stories like this could be endless—and yet, we are becoming a society where there is seemingly little concern for our fellow man. People seem to be more interested in taking a story like yours and finding the hidden “politican or racial” agenda to pick apart. The fact that you used such beautiful prose and imagery and someone pounced on it as a racial description only reinforces how highly sensitized we are to the wrong things. Why don’t we all spend more time doing good like this and less time worrying about skin color, sexual preferance, political identity, etc. We could all benefit from practicing random acts of kindness–it would get us and our pathetically deteriorating society a lot farther! Thank you for setting a wonderful example of what one person can do to touch a life–you may never know the extent of that chocolate milk and it’s powerful expression of human compassion.

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By: maingirl http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-788 maingirl Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:11:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-788 Great Story. Similar thing happened to me as I left a restaurant. A man, soaked, ask if I had any spare change to help him at the bus station. I didnt, all I had was leftovers. I told him I hoped his new year would get better. He said probably not but he took the box, started eating and went on his way. My young niece commented on how he could invest his time finding a job instead of begging. How little she knows of the life of a junkie or someone with mental illness or someone just really down on their luck. I hope she never has to find out and I hope that during 2006 we all take the time to recognize the less fortunate and in a small act of faith, like yours, do something to help. Great Story. Similar thing happened to me as I left a restaurant. A man, soaked, ask if I had any spare change to help him at the bus station. I didnt, all I had was leftovers. I told him I hoped his new year would get better. He said probably not but he took the box, started eating and went on his way. My young niece commented on how he could invest his time finding a job instead of begging. How little she knows of the life of a junkie or someone with mental illness or someone just really down on their luck. I hope she never has to find out and I hope that during 2006 we all take the time to recognize the less fortunate and in a small act of faith, like yours, do something to help.

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By: sultandude http://thebudgetingbabe.com/2005/12/27/christmas-jeer/#comment-786 sultandude Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:54:00 +0000 http://thebudgetingbabe.com/?p=153#comment-786 I remember once about 20 years ago leaving a concert in Liverpool and giving a beggar 50 pence. I got stick from my wife and the fiends we were with. When we got to the bottom of the stairs and tuned into the next street I found a 50 pence coin in the gutter. What a strange feeling. I remember once about 20 years ago leaving a concert in Liverpool and giving a beggar 50 pence. I got stick from my wife and the fiends we were with. When we got to the bottom of the stairs and tuned into the next street I found a 50 pence coin in the gutter. What a strange feeling.

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